Recognize Burnout Before Burning Out: Part 2 McGill Onate: There were times I don’t know what to do. Gretchen Asuncion: So, that time that you have dedicated with God, it kind of helps you realign what your priorities are and God is there to listen.  Brother Richie Juatco:  A life without God and a life with God are complete opposites. That is the reason why having God in our life makes all the difference. [Show intro]  Shannon Santamaria: You're listening to Heart and Soul, a podcast from the Iglesia Ni Cristo (Church Of Christ). I'm one of your hosts, Shannon Santamaria, and it's here where we have real conversations with friends who are helping each other reach the best Christian version of themselves. This is Heart and Soul.  [Music]  Shannon: Welcome back everyone to our episode on burnout. This is a continuation of our last episode and we are going to pick back up right from where we left off. We hope everyone listening in will be able to learn more about dealing with burnout and be guided by the words of God. Shannon: Looking back and talking about burnout with you guys has been a lot more reflective of why we have them. Maybe it's so that I can lessen the amount of burnouts in the future. And if I haven't experienced it yet, or maybe, like McGill hasn’t experienced it, I wanted to ask you, you know, if you haven't experienced it yet, how can we help someone who is experiencing it? Maybe that's a thought that I want to put in your guys' minds, because feeling burnout might not happen to you, but it does definitely happen to people around you. McGill, have you ever helped someone who was experiencing extreme exhaustion or who wanted to feel like giving up? McGill: I think I definitely encountered a couple of my friends, brethren in the Church, that have experienced burnout and that sort of exhaustion, of not not wanting to work, but just can't work because it's just really hard for them. Usually if it does come to that situation where they do ask for help or they're in need of help, I would just chill with them, be in their presence and just do something that they enjoy to do. So, if they enjoy playing video games, I'll hop on a game with them and just chill and vibe and just allow all the stress to just freely flow. And just… because, you know, if you're stressed—I'm pretty sure this can apply to a lot of us—if you're stressed, do something that you love. And so whether it's playing video games, going to the gym, I think what's really nice and this definitely works for me if I'm sad or if I'm exhausted, just being with the people that you love, I think that's just, just great. Just being in the company, even if you're not doing anything, even if you're just on call with someone, even if you're just chilling on your phone and you guys are just in the same room, I love that!  Shannon: Like, right now. McGill: Yeah! Just right now! You know? We do this podcast, it's not only to just talk about how to help ourselves, but hey, I'm having a good time and I hope you guys are having a good time, too. Shannon: I know, McGill, I'm having a great time with you guys here.  Shannon: So, Gretchen, how do you help out a friend who is experiencing burnout or who has experienced it? What are some ways that you helped them?  Gretchen: I think, number one, if they find the time or… trust, right? Where they're like, okay, I need to confide in you. Um, it's actually very timely. It's more of like, okay, so how are you feeling? Like, what are you feeling right now? What's causing you to feel this burnout? So, kind of have them kind of focus on like, wait, okay, reality check. Like, why am I feeling this way? And then kind of offer like how can I help? Like, what is it that you need me to do? I've been asked that before, of: do you need me to listen or do you need a response? And I think that’s the…