Did you know that there's a secret history to smart phones? Well there is. And The Verge has a documentary about it, which TJ and Joe talk about. TJ also would like for Apple to compete with Microsoft on touch screen converable laptops. And did you ever want two nerds to do a deep dive on mail...

What does the M1 Max Mac and caffeine have in common? Nothing except being our two main topics in this episode. Join Joe and TJ to learn about their caffeine journeys, habits, and thoughts. Then settle in to learn all about TJ's new M1 Max MacBook Pro.