MEET DELIC is almost upon us! For our appreciation of listening to this podcast, use code RADIONAUT for 20% off General Admission. Head over to www.meetdelic.com to get your tickets! Carl Hart, PhD is a professor of neuroscience and psychology at Columbia University. He is known for his research in drug abuse and drug addiction and he has a new book out, Drug Use for Grown-Ups: Chasing Liberty in the Land of Fear. You’re going to hear Dr. Hart talk live at Meet Delic 2021, but before that, we sat down with him to get a first-hand account of his ongoing thesis. That the greatest damage from drugs flows from their being illegal, and a hopeful reckoning with the possibility of their use as part of a responsible and happy life.   Ben Westhoff is an award-winning investigative journalist who writes about culture, drugs, and poverty. His books are taught around the country and have been translated into languages all over the world. His new book Fentanyl, Inc.: How Rogue Chemists Are Creating the Deadliest Wave of the Opioid Epidemic is the highly-acclaimed, bombshell first book about fentanyl, which is causing the worst drug crisis in American history.