Paul Ashwin is a Professor of Higher Education, Head of the Educational Research Department at Lancaster University and Deputy Director of the Centre for Global Higher Education. His research is focused on the educational role of higher education. He is interested in how higher education curricula can be designed to help transform students' understanding of themselves and the world. He is also interested in the role of policies in shaping the education offered by higher education institutions. In this episode, Paul Ashwin discusses the arguments in his recent book. Talking to Paul is Onur Orkut, a PhD researcher at the Department of Educational Research at Lancaster University and a member of CHERE@LU. Follow Onur on social media: @onurorkut