Dahr Jamail speaks with Anne Poelina about the root cause of the cascading environmental and social crises of the 21st century: the Western industrialized, extractivist mindset. Anne also presents ideas for changing our perspectives and perceptions to be in community with nature, and the importance of listening to Indigenous voices. Anne Poelina is a professor and chair of Indigenous Knowledge at the University of Notre Dame Australia, as well as the chair of the Martuwarra Fitzroy River Council.