Dahr Jamail speaks with Aslak Holmberg about how the Great Unraveling has always been the inevitable result of an ideology built on unsustainability. Aslak also provides his stark assessment of the dominant global paradigm of constant growth, as well as an inspirational message of standing firm in our work for the planet, no matter what. Aslak Holmberg is an Indigenous Saami who lives on the Deatnu River, on the border of Norway and Finland. He is serving as the President of the Saami Council and works on various processes dealing with Indigenous knowledge, rights, and biodiversity conservation. He is also a salmon fisher, teacher, and holds a masters degree in Indigenous studies. Aslak is also a former member of the Saami Parliament of Finland.