With summer vacation travels upon us, this week's episode mixes a little old with a little new. In part 1, our 2020 interview with Bill Rogan, author of "Life Ain’t the Same in the Pecos League: A Rookie Manager Navigates Baseball’s Most Notorious Independent League." Bill wrote the book about his 2019 season at the helm for the  Tucson Saguaros  in the independent Pecos League.  This interview was a blast to do and if you missed it in 2020, here is your chance to catch it. In part 2, our recent interview with Erik McLaren, a writer and host of Religious Wars,  a podcast that looks at history through a lens of conflicts in faith. Erik joins us to discuss his thoughts on how religious themes, ideas and images are presented in Western popular music.  The conversation includes Elvis Presley, George Harrison, Bob Dylan, Joan Osborne and many more artists. We examined how different artists incorporate religious and spiritual themes into their music. Thank you to Erik for sharing his time with Hooks & Runs. Chapters: 2:00  Bill Rogan: Life Ain't the Same in the Pecos League 29:29  Erik McLaren, Spiritual Themes in Popular Music  Bill Rogan, Life Ain't the Same in the Pecos League Erik McLaren: Religious Wars Podcast (https://www.religiouswarspodcast.com/) Errata: Bob Dylan won a Grammy Award in 1980 for the song "Gotta Serve Somebody" (Best Rock Performance, Male), not "Slow Train." -->Join our Discord: https://discord.gg/tT8d3pVUsN -->You can support Hooks & Runs by purchasing books, including the books featured in this episode, through our store at Bookshop.org. Here's the link. https://bookshop.org/shop/hooksandruns Hooks & Runs - www.hooksandruns.com Hooks & Runs on TikTok -  https://www.tiktok.com/@hooksandruns Hooks & Runs on Twitter - https://twitter.com/thehooksandruns Andrew Eckhoff on Tik Tok Link: https://www.tiktok.com/@hofffest Rex von Pohl (Krazy Karl's Music Emporium) on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/people/Krazy-Karlz-Music-Emporium/100063801500293/  Music: "Warrior of Light" by ikolics (Premium Beat)