On this episode, Pete and Julie discuss the nebulas world of HR transformation and dive into the question…what does HR transformation mean, and how do you know if you’re doing it right? Many organizations today are navigating transformation journeys to modernize and digitize their HR and payroll operating models globally. It’s a nebulas term - often overused and sometimes a goal that is anything but clear - but what does it enable, provide, or mean for a business taking it on? Pete and Julie unpack the topic to explain and share their POVs on this and many more questions, including where to start, what the key ingredients are to achieving HR transformation, how to know if you are doing it right, whether it’s a destination or a journey - and are you ever actually ‘there’. They also address why firms today can’t put off HR transformation any longer. Want to engage with HR and Payroll 2.0? We welcome your feedback, questions, and ideas for topics or challenges we should tackle on the show, or simply drop us a line and just say hi! Email: [email protected] Messages:  https://anchor.fm/hrpayroll20 Twitter: @HRPAYROLL2_0  Twitter (Julie): @JulieFer_HR Twitter (Pete): @PeteTiliakos