Why developing a targeted policy for humanitarian diplomacy matters for a humanitarian organization? And what does it take to be a humanitarian diplomat? In the fourth episode of the Humanitarian Diplomacy podcast, Doctoral Researcher Salla Turunen interviews Senior Research Fellow Hugo Slim from the University of Oxford. Hugo is known for a career in humanitarianism that has combined academia, operations, policy and diplomacy. Most recently, between 2015 and 2020, he was the Head of Policy and Humanitarian Diplomacy at the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) in Geneva.