In the second part of Ilia Delio’s conversation with Fr. Ronald Rolheiser, Ilia asks what Ron’s hope is for the future—is it the church? They share their concerns for theology and doctrines which are increasingly out of touch with the current state of the world, and consider whether a secular religion is possible. Ilia also asks Fr. Ron his opinion on the viability of common appeals for a “spirituality without religion.” ABOUT RONALD ROLHEISER “Faith is not a question of basking in the certainty that there is a God and that God is taking care of us. Many of us are never granted this kind of assurance. Certitude is not the real substance of faith. Faith is a way of seeing things.” Fr. Ronald Rolheiser, Ph.D., is a Roman Catholic priest and member of the Missionary Oblates of Mary Immaculate. He is a community-builder, lecturer, and writer. His books are popular throughout the English-speaking world and have now been translated into many languages. His weekly column is carried by more than 80 newspapers worldwide. He taught theology and philosophy at Newman Theological College in Edmonton, Alberta, for 16 years, served as Provincial Superior of his Oblate Province for six years, and served on the General Council for the Oblates in Rome for six years. From 2005–2020, Fr. Ron served as President of the Oblate School of Theology in San Antonio Texas. He remains on staff at OST as a full-time faculty member. Support the showA huge thank you to all of you who subscribe and support our show! Support for A Hunger for Wholeness comes from the Fetzer Institute. Fetzer supports a movement of organizations who are applying spiritual solutions to society's toughest problems. Get involved at fetzer.org. Support 'Hunger for Wholeness’ on Patreon as our team continues to develop content for listeners to dive deeper. Visit the Center for Christogenesis' website at christogenesis.org to browse all Hunger for Wholeness episodes and read more from Ilia Delio. Follow us on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter for episode releases and other updates.