In this episode, Andrew & Maxi continue chatting with physiotherapists Janet Holly and Alex Chisholm. In this second episode we cover: The importance of the therapeutic alliance when treating patients with persistent pain The key shifts that therapists need to make in treating patients with pain How therapists need to relook at goal setting with patients How to treat patients who are looking for passive treatment A useful analogy to use with patients who are accustomed to tissue based treatments Why emotional pain is something therapists will confront when exploring goal setting How to get patients to move past their diagnosis Why joy is an important emotion to foster in the patient relationship Why listening is treatment Why it’s important to screen for depression in patients and what to do for patients with suicidal thoughts Why it’s important to have a plan in place for patients with mental health challenges