Roland Orzabal and Curt Smith discuss the difficult creation of 'The Tipping Point,' the band's first record in nearly two decades. The album took shape after numerous false starts over the course of almost 10 years. Early sessions with a crew of outside songwriters left them so uninspired that they nearly parted company once again, but then the pair got back to basics, holing up in a room with acoustic guitars, just like that did when they first teamed up as teens. The resulting record is a stunning display of musical virtuosity and radical vulnerability, inspired in large part by the death of Orzabal's wife. Occasionally dark and moody — but never maudlin — it's a hopeful meditation on mental health, mortality, and moving on.  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com