Lucy Gossage and Nikki Bartlett don’t need much of an introduction to triathlon audiences. They’ve both regularly been on the podium across Ironman and 70.3 races over the last decade, Nikki won Ironman Wales 2023, Lucy won in Wales three times. While Nikki is still competing, these days Lucy works as an Oncologist and loves doing endurance adventures in her spare time.  She also dedicates lots of time to MOVE Charity, to help and inspire people to move against cancer.   You'll hear: 00:00 Where the mind goes during an Ultra marathon and an Ironman triathlon. 05:00 Lucy tells a story about Nikki's first trail race, when she didn't have GPS on her watch. 07:00 Lucy talks about the first time she and Helen met... when Helen was making a radio documentary about Ironman in 2013. And then Nikki recalls meeting Helen for the first time, just before her pro debut in 2015. 11:00 How their friendship has grown stronger over the years, especially more since Lucy has retired. 14:00 How daunting it is turning pro and how Lucy emailed Nikki just before her first pro race. 15:00 Imposter syndrome for professional athletes. 17:00 "It's crazy that people put professional athletes on pedestal" 18:00 Does Lucy miss anything about racing as a professional? 21:00 Why Lucy and Nikki get sad when they see age groupers being really strict with their training and not keeping it fun. 25:00 The feeling of things just flowing and feeling fun and enjoyable. 28:00 Things that Nikki's looking forward to once she finishes racing and why she doesn't intend to swim when she doesn't need to. 33:00 The timing of making a change. When is the right time to let go? 38:00 We talk about some of the episodes that have made an impact on us. We also talk about Inside Tri Show, putting together a podcast, the work involved. 52:00 The most chopper thing Nikki and Lucy have done! Find out more about this week's guest: Nikki Bartlett Instagram Lucy Gossage website MOVE Charity website Like what you heard? Let me know! Connect with Inside Tri Show across Social Media, just search Inside Tri Show or click on the icons below GET YOUR HANDS ON AN EXCLUSIVE EPISODE! Sign up to be a vino buddy or a training buddy on Patreon and get your hands on two patrons-only episodes a year. Or just support the show by buying Helen a coffee every month by becoming a coffee buddy Patreon of the Inside Tri Show. This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy