In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we speak with Dr. Jerome “Jerry” Wagner, a clinical psychologist, psychotherapist, supervisor, consultant in private practice, and emeritus faculty member in the Department of Psychology and Institute of Pastoral Studies at Loyola University, Chicago. Dr. Wagner shares his background with the Enneagram and his dissertation that explored how the Enneagram correlated with other personality tests. He also talks about what good academic work looks like in the realm of the Enneagram and what he sees as the next step in the Enneagram’s journey to help it remain useful and not lose its relevance. Connect with us: IEA2023.com Dr Jerome Wagner: Web: enneagramspectrum.com Web: training.enneagramspectrum.com Web: wepss.com Email: [email protected] Seth "Creek" Creekmore:  IG: @_creekmore Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B Seth Abram: IG: @integratedenneagram Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast Lindsey Davis Marks: IG: @lindseyfaithdm Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast Lee Fields: Web: enneagrammatic.com IG: @enneagrammatic Aephoria Partners: Web: aephoriapartners.com FB: Aephoria Partners Consulting