Today we have the pleasure of reposting an episode from our friends from the Fathoms podcast. The Fathoms crew sat down at the 2023 IEA conference to have a deep and meaningful conversation with enneagram legends Russ Hudson and Mario Sikora on the often used and often misunderstood concepts, Ego and Essence. Joining the Fathoms crew is, Lee Fields, which always makes it better.  [1:00] A quick recap of Fathoms season 4 [5:30] We talk about (and cringe a bit) our Season 1 episode on Ego & Essence [12:30] Lindsey’s thoughts about the first episode as a listener [14:15] Our thoughts behind ending the season with the topic of Ego & Essence [18:50] Some tips listening to this conversation with Russ & Mario [23:00] Our conversation with Russ & Mario begins [25:15] What’s the conversation we need to have today about ego & essence?  [27:45] Having beginner’s mind with ego & essence? [28:50] Russ & Mario’s first meeting…and first impressions! [30:45] Their common fascination with zombies [32:50] What Russ and Mario admire about each other’s enneagram work [35:45] Russ and Mario’s definition of “ego” and “essence” [45:00] Examples of how they’ve changed their minds on ego and essence [55:30] How Mario interprets Russ’ view of ego and essence [1:00:00] Russ on “essence” [1:08:00] Mario’s problems with the term “essence” [1:11:45] Why are still using these words in these ways? [1:18:45] Lindsey pushes back a bit Stay tuned for Part 2 of our conversation with Russ & Mario next week!  — Brought to you by: Aephoria Partners: Web: aephoriapartners.com FB: Aephoria Partners Consulting The Enneagram Letters: A Poetic Exploration of Who You Thought You Had to Be — Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks, Drew Moser Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagramFollow Abram: @integratedenneagramFollow Creek: @_creekmoreFollow Drew: @typetrailenneagramFollow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm Lee Fields: Web: enneagrammatic.com IG: @enneagrammatic - Learn More About the International Enneagram Association Web: https://www.internationalenneagram.org/ Events: https://ieaninepoints.com/ IG: @ieaenneagram