In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we speak with Dr. Deborah Egerton and Dr. Robert Holden, both also known as Dr. E and Dr. R respectively, about their friendship and the idea work they collaborate through the Enneagram. They also talk about coming to a place of understanding to bring us back to love. This can be accomplished through conversations and kind spaces so we can have an exchange of thoughts rather than a debate. Connect with us: IEA2023.com Dr. Debra Egerton: Web: deborahegerton.com Book: Know Justice Know Peace: A Transformative Journey of Social Justice, Anti-Racism, and Healing through the Power of the Enneagram Dr. Robert Holden Web: robertholden.com Seth "Creek" Creekmore:  IG: @_creekmore Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B Seth Abram: IG: @integratedenneagram Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast Lindsey Davis Marks: IG: @lindseyfaithdm Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast Lee Fields: Web: enneagrammatic.com IG: @enneagrammatic Aephoria Partners: Web: aephoriapartners.com FB: Aephoria Partners Consulting