Psychologist and award winning researcher Hillary McBride explores the broken and unhealthy ideas we have inherited about our bodies in her new book The Wisdom of Your Body: Finding Healing, Wholeness, and Connection through Embodied Living. TRANSCRIPT 0:01 Everyone welcome to Jessup think I'm your host Mark Moore, and your co host Rex. Rex on the show today, we have Hilary McBride. She's a psychologist and an award winning researcher. And she's going to explore the broken and unhealthy ideas we've inherited about our bodies in her new book, The wisdom of your body, finding healing, wholeness, and connection through embodied living. And even though in our podcast, I guess we are disembodied voices, I think we're going to learn that embodiment is a very, very important part of our spirituality, so important in so important to our life in the world, and our life with God, I really hope you enjoy the show, I 0:49 want to start by saying thank you so much for joining us on the show, and really excited to talk about your book. And a main thread that that kind of connects your book is this idea of embodiment. And so I'd love to just start there, and have you kind of tell our listeners what, what is embodiment? And how does that kind of connect the themes of your book. Yeah, that's a great place to start, because the word embodiment is thrown out so much these days. And yet having it clearly defined as something that I find doesn't happen as often as it's used. So I think a great as it again, as an academic, I love starting with defining the terms. 1:29 We most of us hear the word embodiment when we think about someone living up their values. So somehow the things that matter up here are kind of up in their head or in flashed and the way that they move through space and time how they are with people how they occupy space. But the the way that I'm using embodiment, and the principle that moves through, like you said, that weaves together, the book is just a little different than that. It's, it's about the felt experience of being a body. So not just being a mind that is carried around by a body, which is how most of us think about ourselves in a western context, particularly those of us who have advanced education and whatnot, there is this kind of over identification, over identification with the mind or our cerebra reality. So embodiment is our way of, of acknowledging that we are also a body, in fact, maybe we're even more a body, but that way of being in space is not something that we think of as ourself. So embodiment, is both the felt and lived experience of being a body engaging with the world, right? We our bodies, in social contexts, but also the the redistribution of identity to be able to say my body is, is not something just that I have a thing. But there is something in my body that actually is me that makes up who I am. And we can start to get into the weeds a little bit with that if, if you'd like naturally there, is there some pushback that people give, when we say like, well, I am my body, because we've spent most of our lives in a western context, trying to subdue the body, to conquer the body to have mind over matter. So people don't like that so much. 3:16 Right, right. Yeah, this is this is where we're all about getting in the weeds. 3:22 Because that's when that is important. I mean, I think is an interesting place to understand the the idea of getting away from a kind of mind body dualism, to an understanding of I am my body. And I work with students. And sometimes when I say that to students, I can see them kind of squirming like, wait, I'm not. What does it mean to identify with my body or to to say the phrase, I am my body. And there's this, this push back. And I think, maybe a pushback of, of connecting identity with embodiment. We could say we identify, maybe when the church do we identify with our soul, you know, we get preached, this is who you are. And so it's hard for