ENERGY VACUUM! AZ calls up a man whom The New Yorker described as “perhaps the most influential Islamic scholar in the Western world,” but forgets to mention that the call is being recorded. Can Mo ever forgive the blunder? Comedian Amir K joins the guys as they catch up with their dear friend and collaborator, indie rap pioneer and host of The Travelers Podcast, Brother Ali.  Guests: Amir K, Brother Ali ORIGINAL AUDIO PRODUCTION, MUSIC & SOUND DESIGN BY SALT Executive Produced by Mo Amer, Azhar Usman, Noah Gersh, Jamie Schefman, Nick Panama, Kenzi Wilbur Head of Creative: Jordan Galvan  Head of Production: Liz LeMay Head of Post Production: Robert Adler Producers: Imran Ali Malik & Aaron Kennedy  Supervising Producers: Allie Strobel & Alice Bearn Post Production Supervisor: Aly Honoré Post Production Coordinator: Jax Raffle  Edited by: Geoffrey Mutchnik and Aaron Kennedy  Sound Design and Music by: Matthew Chilelli Mixed by: Aaron Kennedy  Recorded by Aaron Kennedy, Zack Djurich and Mario Borgatta  Guest Booking by Drive Entertainment and Hager Eldaas Additional music courtesy of Extreme Music. Joking Not Joking is a Luminary Original, and a co-production between SALT, Legally Homeless, Inc., and Numinous Company, Inc.