Julian is one part of the team behind Near Future Laboratory, a design-led innovation practice, who invented design fiction as a thing and practice. When not designing and publishing books, podcasts, and doing consulting, he runs the Near Future Laboratory Discord, a Hypercollaborative where people come together to practice the craft of futuring and design fiction. We speak about how to balance structure's need for managed expectations, and imaginations need to jam. How listening to each other and trust in one's self and each other can make beautiful things. How making things is our differentiator.