Is the future quite so bleak? Maybe we won't all be living in bunkers and doing chin-ups. You can hear more from Jenny Odell, the writer of How to do Nothing, Chris Johnstone, doctor and the co-founder of Active Hope & Jeff Sparrow, who talks about who's really to blame for the climate...

Hope you enjoyed the series but if you need more Judith Lucy head to the ABC Listen app. You can hear three exclusive extended interviews. Jenny Odell, the writer who taught us how to do nothing, Jeff Sparrow on why guilt is being manipulated by polluters and Chris Johnstone, the doctor and...