On today's episode we had the privilege of talking to Dr. Christopher McCormick and David Dieterle from Education First (EF), two of the most knowledgeable people I have ever met when it comes to learning, both from a corporate and academic perspective.   As Christopher said ”You create knowledge and understanding by interactions with other people, by observing models, observing experts and being able to experiment in a sort of cognitive apprenticeship.”, so we are happy to learn from them about this beautiful industry, courage, leadership, what metrics are important when it comes to learning engagement and many more interesting insights. From this episode: Find out how to make yourself future proof through presence, courage and the ability to let go. What have they learned from migrating 150.000 students to fully online learning in 3 weeks, the social experience of learning and how language learning can improve innovation, overall communication and flatten the curve when it comes to learning fatigue.  How to transform these last months into an opportunity to do things as good as if not better than before, by changing the mindset around embracing online learning.  Find out more about them at EF.Com and don't hesitate to contact David at [email protected], if you need more info or have questions. We are curious to see what you think about today's episode so please give us your thoughts, questions or any suggestion at [email protected]. Subscribe to our podcast on Spotify or through whatever podcasting app you are using or follow Think Backwards on social media to make sure you get notified when we post new episodes.