In this episode we talk to Professor Arlene Holmes-Henderson, Professor of Classics Education and Public Policy at Durham University, about her fierce belief in the enduring relevance of classical rhetoric to today’s world, and why its value in helping disadvantaged children find their voice in a more engaging way is fundamental to how schools need to develop oracy, alongside literacy and numeracy. And at the end, she gives a 10-minute masterclass in classical rhetoric that we can all use to make a speech more interesting.  _____________ Arlene's books Forward with Classics  and Expanding Classics  The ‘Shy bairns get nowt’ project https://www.durham.ac.uk/news-events/latest-news/2023/05/shy-bairns-get-nowt/ Arlene's work in The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/jun/04/brucey-and-caesar-can-help-children-improve-oracy-says-classic-professor Connect with Adam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adam-morgan-3a473a/   Follow eatbigfish on Linkedin and Instagram   See what’s coming up on the podcast at The Challenger Project   With thanks to our editor Ruth and producer Ross. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.