Mary invites Louise Hung, writer/producer at The Order of the Good Death, for a seasonally appropriate conversation about death, black cats, and why so many people fear them both. Spoiler alert, we're pro-black cats (especially Louise's companions, Dorothy and Agatha). We also discuss the death positive movement, mourning pets, and getting comfortable with spooky stuff. Plus: A Japanese cat funeral, a death-themed Cat Quiz, and a startling statistic about Halloween costumes for cats. For information regarding your data privacy, visit acast.com/privacy