Allure’s deputy digital director Sam Escobar is a beauty expert who uses makeup as a form of creative expression. Mary tried eyeliner once. This opens up a lively conversation about differing views on beauty, the pressures and pleasures of self-presentation, and our moms’ Clinique habits. We also talk about cats! Obviously! Sam makes the case for adopting FIV+ kitties and reveals what people really see when they look at Rorschach. Plus: Cat vs. red lipstick, a messy true story. For information regarding your data privacy, visit acast.com/privacy