A podcast about learning to lead for creativity. I'm talking to some inspiring creative leaders with great stories to share about their 'made not born' leadership journey. Today's guest is Caitlin Ryan, VP at Facebook, Creative Shop EMEA. Pioneering, principled and passionate about leading for business-transforming creativity, Caitlin is an inspiring modern leader and full of practical wisdom. We talk about leading diverse talents with empathy, how to take creative people with you through change journeys and why curiosity is a modern leadership superpower. I hope our conversation will give you a little fuel for your own made not born journey.