Sofie talks to Dr Gwen Adshead about meeting people in the middle of their stories, attachment, working with violent patients, evil states of mind, shadow sides, cruelty, mistakes, gender, identity, group therapy, life development studies, Broadmoor, and rehabilitation. Content Warning:  COVID, mental health, postnatal depression, violence, murder, therapy, medicine, prisons, trauma, hospitals, arson, stalking, domestic violence, intimate partner violence, abuse, refugees, death, bereavement, sexual abuse, child abuse, holocaust, "the final solution", substance use, intoxication The Devil You Know: Stories of Human Cruelty and Compassion by Gwen Adshead and Eileen Horne: https://www.waterstones.com/book/the-devil-you-know/gwen-adshead/eileen-horne/9780571357604 Produced by Dave Pickering Sofie Hagen online: Twitter: @SofieHagen Facebook: facebook.com/sofiehagen.komiker Web: sofiehagen.com Instagram: @sofiehagendk Support the show (http://www.patreon.com/sofiehagen)