This week we welcome trailer editor and the owner of the trailer house The Refinery on the show to talk about the art of making a trailer, how the business works and how he landed in trailer editing out of film school and his long journey to starting The Refinery. After that we play another round of THE GAME but first, Liz, how are you doing? Submit your Horror Feature or Short to the Blood and Popcorn Film Festival: www.filmfreeway.com/BloodandPopcornFilmFestival You have till January 16th to get in your submissions and you can use the waiver code: evilpop3 to get 50% off your submission. Here's the ticket link to get your seat for the festival now! https://ticketing.uswest.veezi.com/purchase/15160?siteToken=y62bhsm2h1sfp48nzexbtnm2wg Watch Liz's new short film Witchy on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk5WtIOz5do Watch Alrik's new short film Parka on Vimeo: https://vimeo.com/357898693 Watch The Alternate on Tubi Out Now: https://tubitv.com/movies/702632/the-alternate Check out the ISA at: www.networkisa.org Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast