On this Thursday bonus episode we are going to play the interview from episode 289 from October 2020 with writer and director Jonathan Kiefer who talks about writing and collaborating on his first feature film, Around the Sun which Alrik felt was a good match for our episode with Charles because they are both filmmakers who wrote a feature that was produced before they directed their first features. After that we play another round of The Game, enjoy! A big note for all listeners! Apple podcasts has frozen all of your downloads of the show which is killing our numbers! The way to fix that is to click the icon for the show on your phone and in the top right corner there is a down arrow icon that needs to be turned on, click on that and select 'Turn on Automatic Downloads'. If you do that, the show will be saved! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast Leave us a Review on Apple Podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-movies-is-hard-the-struggles-of-indie-filmmaking/id1006416952