This post Psychedelic Science '23 episode of the podcast features an all new interview with Dr. Bia Labate. Bia's wisdom, passion and openess to keep psychedelic use rooted in not just science but also in the awarness that indigenous use has so much foundational knowledge to teach us is as inspiring as it is necessary. Zach and Bia take a journey on sacred culture, equality in access and the wisdom of our elders while keeping focus on the. modern psychedelic movement.  This is the first MAPS podcast episode after Psychedelic Science '23 and Zach reflects on his experience on the historic event in Denver.  Dr. Beatriz Caiuby Labate (Bia Labate) is a queer Brazilian anthropologist based in San Francisco. She has a Ph.D. in social anthropology from the University of Campinas (UNICAMP), Brazil. Her main areas of interest are the study of plant medicines, drug policy, shamanism, ritual, religion, and social justice. She is Executive Director of the Chacruna Institute for Psychedelic Plant Medicines and serves as Public Education and Culture Specialist at the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS). She is also Visiting Scholar at Naropa University’s Center for Psychedelic Studies and Advisor at the Veteran Mental Health Leadership Coalition. Dr. Labate is a co-founder of the Interdisciplinary Group for Psychoactive Studies (NEIP) in Brazil and editor of its site. She is author, co-author, and co-editor of twenty-seven books, two special-edition journals, and several peer-reviewed