"I had to get out of a church that was like a cult" this sentence spoken very matter-of-factly was the start of a very interesting and bizarre conversation when I first met Rachel McDerby face to face. She gave me the cliff notes, invovling cultish behaviour in a church, running rehab centers with questionable ethics, an abusive ex and setting up a safe house and I had to stop her in her tracks. Because this was going to be one of those conversations I'd want to recreate for a podcast and never be able to do it justice compared to that unplanned chat. So that's what we did, we saved the details for in front of an audience and recorded for your good self!