Part One: Matt is interviewed by Grant Smee on The Unshit Show, a podcast dedicated to entrepreneurs. Matt talks about the early stages of Digital Kungfu and The Matt Brown Show, the failures of trying to build a podcast business, Black Swan Technology and the slingshot growth from solving problems. Matt also touches on the 'Silicon Valley Narrative' and how that has created a false narrative around scale. All this and more on Part 1 of Matt's interview.  Part Two: In the second part of this interview, Matt is LIVE on the Watts Involved show with David Watts. Matt continues the conversation about Black Swan & Digital Kungfu's growth during the pandemic, the future of his business, and his new book 'Slingshot Grwoth' coming out in 2021. Support the show