Marley Starskey Butler works as a multidisciplinary artist and social worker. They have revealed that art has functioned as a therapeutic tool for them, helping them to process their own complex childhood, as well as their years in social work - and in 2023 they launched their first solo photographic exhibition, “Thirty-Six”. They work across visual, audio, and written media and explore the intersections between art, social work as employment, and their familial lived experience of social work. In this episode, Marley talks about workshops as spaces for listening. They describe a project where redacted social work records act as an impetus for recording a new family archive. They also discuss listening within the context of social work, and how the chronic under-resourcing of the sector affects this.