This is part 2 of our 2 part conversation with Stefano Harney and Fred Moten, Revisiting The Undercommons In A Time Of Pandemic And Rebellion. In this part of the conversation we focus on their conceptions of homeless, Black study, the surround, policy and fugitive planning. Moten and Harney also get into a discussion of critiques and notions of sovereignty in Indigenous theory and Afro-pessimism.