In this episode, Wendy speaks with clinical researcher Peter Wayne about his work on mind-body and movement-based interventions like tai chi. Their conversation covers many topics, including: how a background in ecology informs his research; embracing multiple causes of any outcome; how to do non-reductionist science; removing the hyphen from the mind-body system; harnessing the wisdom of the body through contemplative practice; the value of first-person narrative in research; safety and trauma in the body; the relationship between physical and emotional patterns; how the concept of the subtle body relates to Western views; the role of integrative medicine in dealing with climate change; and bringing together multiple perspectives to investigate the mind & healing. Full resources and show notes