We start this conversation from the perspective that human beings are self-interpreting animals, and go on to explore what gives us a sense of meaning. Lawrence Berger has been practicing mindfulness for many years while developing a philosophy of attention in his academic pursuits. He was formerly a business school professor at the universities of Iowa and Pennsylvania, after which he decided to engage in philosophy full time, teaching philosophy at Marist College and Montclair State University. He has published a number of articles on the philosophy of attention and is working on a book entitled The Politics of Attention and the Promise of Mindfulness, in which Eugene Gendlin’s A Process Model plays a central role. Published February 2022.