In October, Chris and Matt discussed the book "From Christendom to Apostolic Mission" in a two part series. That's how much they love this book and how important it is for ministry leaders. This week, they brought in the expert, Dr. Scott Cleveland from the University where the book was written and published, to take a deep dive into making this shift as ministry leaders. This framework came from how the University operates as a whole so Dr. Scott is steeped in this method and shares insights into it for us. Find the book at https://www.amazon.com/Christendom-Apostolic-Mission-Pastoral-Strategies/dp/099887289X (https://www.amazon.com/Christendom-Apostolic-Mission-Pastoral-Strategies/dp/099887289X)   Follow MLA on Twitter (https://twitter.com/nxtlvlmin (https://twitter.com/nxtlvlmin)) Join the Discussion on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/groups/mlapodcast/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/mlapodcast/)) Ministry Leaders Anonymous is a production of Ablaze Ministries (ablaze.us (http://ablaze.us))   Support MLA on Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/mlapodcast/ (https://www.patreon.com/mlapodcast/))   Hosts: Chris Bartlett and Matt Rice Producer/Editor: Taylor Schroll(ForteCatholic.com)   Thanks to ALOB (http://a-lob.com/ (http://a-lob.com/)) for letting us use his song, Strong God (https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/strong-god/1291068295?i=1291068305 (https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/strong-god/1291068295?i=1291068305)), from the album No Match for Love (https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/no-match-for-love/1291068295 (https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/no-match-for-love/1291068295))! Email us your thoughts! [email protected] (mailto:[email protected])