This podcast accompanies the spring 2021 MPT: Clean Hands: Focus on the Pandemic in Europe. This focus section includes a poems from the StAnza 'Windowswap' project – pairing up poets to share photos of the views from their windows and then respond in poetry form to their partner’s view. In this podcast Clare Pollard spoke to one of these poet pairs – Astrid Alben and Agnès Agboton, with translator Lawrence Schimel. Tune in for a discussion of poetry, the pandemic and writing through lockdown. Find out more about this issue at https://modernpoetryintranslation.com/magazine/clean-hands-2021-number-1/ Find the windows poems online at: https://stanzapoetry.org/festival/exhibitions/windowswap