In this episode, Joel, Steve and Ange take a long look at psychedelic assisted therapy (PAT) and how MI may or may not fit. We are joined by Joshua Bringle, PhD, Joji Suzuki, MD, Candida Mauer, PhD and Michael Fluop, MD who are all engaged in funded clinical trails  ketamine and psylocibin. The conversation was fun, illuminating and mind altering (or changing) for some. The audience chat is included in the Transcript section. On a side note, MIB is heading into our third year,  with 42,000 down loads and continues to build a lovely international community of friends. MI Around the World is a international project offer low cost to no cost MI training  in three time zones over the next two months. For more information, please visit us: https://www.eventbrite.co.nz/o/dr-joel-porter-18627665246 or emai: [email protected] MI Around The World