In this episode top UK divorce lawyer Karin Walker and Narcissism expert Dr Supriya McKenna talk with Deputy District Judge Rachael Oakes and her colleague mediator, Claire Colbert, about why classic, traditional mediation and shuttle mediation do not work with narcissists. They discuss the benefits of using 'Hybrid Mediation' instead, where a narcissist is involved. They explain why Hybrid Mediation is best used for parties that have legal representation for the duration of the process, and how it is significantly quicker, cheaper and less traumatic than court, which they all agree should be avoided where a narcissist is involved.