In this episode Dr Supriya McKenna and Karin Walker continue their conversation with  world renowned psychotherapist and educator Dr Elinor Greenberg.  Elinor explains how to manage a narcissist using her 'narcissistic sandwich' technique. Karin describes how she uses this technique herself in her role as a family lawyer and a mediator, and highlights why it is so important for family law practitioners to understand that they are dealing with a narcissist, so that they can facilitate negotiations effectively.  They discuss the concept of  'hoovering' and give tips for preparing to leave the narcissist, and how to prepare for narcissistic rage.