In this episode Dr Supriya McKenna and top UK lawyer Karin Walker discuss with Clinical Psychologist Dr Daksha Hirani why it is that NPD is not well recognised in the UK and why mental health professional and lawyers are not being trained in NPD. They talk about the  issue of the family members of narcissists 'diagnosing' the narcissists and why getting a formal diagnosis of narcissism is unlikely to be helpful. Dr Hirani explains why victims of narcissistic abuse should never 'name and shame' the narcissist in their lives, and why it is that a narcissist will attempt to annihilate their spouse in divorce. They also discuss the narcissist's need to collect objects or continually have new fads in order to gain narcissistic supply from others.