In this straight-talking podcast brought to you by Intelligence Squared, Chris Hirst cuts through the b******t and gets to the heart of modern leadership.  In this episode, Chris speaks to Justine Roberts, the founder and CEO of Mumsnet to talk about the journey of building Mumsnet into the phenomenon it is today, along with the unique challenges of leading a community driven business.  Chris Hirst is the author of the award-winning book, No Bullsh*t Leadership: Why the World Needs More Everyday Leaders and Why That Leader Is You. Chris’ latest book, No Bullsh*t Change, is published on June 1 2023. His brand new online leadership training programme is available on his website (www.chris-hirst.com)  Connect with Chris Hirst on LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrishirst/), Twitter (@chrishirst) & Instagram (@chrishirst_leadership). Watch exclusive content and original videos from Chris Hirst on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNC4qT90ArKOuKV8B0LWTWA) This podcast was produced and edited by Isabella Soames. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices