In this conversation I discussed Nostr and open protocols with my friend David Nachum who has built products at big tech for the past decade. Specifically he worked on core communication tools at Google (Gmail), Facebook/Meta, and Apple. It was interesting to hear about some of the the cultural beliefs at big tech around open versus closed, his rigorous focus on user value props when trying to decide what he believes about Nostr, and how some of what he saw on the Gmail team hints at one of the best reasons to be optimistic about the possibilities of Nostr. I hope you enjoy our conversation! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.curiousdk.com