Iain Brodie and Beyza Sezer forgo Coding in the classroom this month and interview Marylou Kestell and Kathy Kubota-Zarvinij who, among other things, are the longest serving editors of the Abacus journal. This is the full interview and the edited version is in the March Gazette Podcast Notes: Recorded Fall 2021 Iain has been an elementary school educator for 28 years, and is now into a second career, teaching in-service and preservice teachers. He teaches face-to-face at Ontario Tech University and virtually at Western University. He Tweets at @IainBro. Beyza is a former teacher and long-term researcher. She is currently a graduate student in education at Western University, and her research focus is the integration of computational thinking into mathematics education. Both are editors of the Math+Code ‘Zine.