That's right folks, it's time for a different type of actuator. Today we're joined by Alex Beachum, creative director of Outer Wilds. We talk about his favorite controller, the Dualshock 4, as part of a wider conversation about how we interact with games. We get some insight into the development of Outer Wilds, talk about its emotional impact, and get into some other games that influenced Alex. Plus, Andy gets to talk about Fortnite, we all try to remember what the deal with that Seaman game for Dreamcast was, and Clint shares with us a traumatic memory via hogline. Tarry no further let's listen!