Jerry Mintz founded the Alternative Education Resource Organization (AERO) over 30 years ago and has since helped start over 50 learner-centered schools. In this special episode, Jerry and I interview each other about the state of alternative education in the world and what makes us hopeful that the movement is making progress. Explore the AERO website at www.educationrevolution.org and say hello to both me and Jerry at the 2019 AERO conference in Portland, Oregon, where I’m giving a keynote talk (June 26-30 / www.aeroconference.org).