Join host Mark and Ritchie in a compelling conversation with marketing veteran and Chairman of the Marketing Skills Trust, Martin Troughton. Delve into Martin's unconventional journey, discussing the industry's dynamics, the interplay between structure and chaos, and the nuanced relationship between brand and performance marketing. Discover the significance of continuous learning, inclusion, and embracing mistakes. The episode concludes with gratitude for Martin's holistic contributions, making it a valuable listen for anyone navigating the complex world of marketing.