What kind of wisdom will people need to capitalize on the positive societal and/or psychological change after the pandemic? Igor and Charles share and discuss responses from 57 of the world's leading behavioral and social scientists, collected as part of the World After Covid project. Each episode, four responses are selected. This time, the conversation covers themes of critical thinking, intellectual humility, political cooperation, and solidarity in the midst of the pandemic. Igor wrestles with the challenge of identifying experts while lacking expertise ourselves, and Charles considers the potential downsides of clamouring for resignations when our leaders make mistakes. Featuring: David Dunning, Social Psychologist and recipient of the Distinguished Lifetime Career Award from the International Society for Self and Identity. Mark Schaller, Professor of Psychology at the University of British Columbia David Passig, Futurist, lecturer, consultant and best–selling author Jennifer Lerner, Thornton Bradshaw Professor of Public Policy, Decision Science, and Management at the Harvard Kennedy School Links: World After Covid siteIgor Grossmann's homepage — interactive visualizations and analysis on the World After Covid projectExpert Predictions of Societal Change: Insights from the World after COVID Project - Grossmann, Twardus, Varnum, Jayawickreme, McLevey (2021, in press)Everyone Was Wrong on the Pandemic’s Societal Impact: Foreign Policy - Varnum, Hutcherson, Grossmann (2021)Estimating societal effects of COVID-19 - Hutcherson, Sharpinsky, Varnum, Rotella, Wormley, Tay, Grossmann (2021, preprint)How Life Could Get Better (or Worse) After COVID (berkeley.edu)Words of wisdom: 4 tips from experts on how to endure until the COVID-19 pandemic ends (The Conversation)The Dunning-Kruger effect: Misunderstood, misrepresented, overused and … non-existent? - Skepchick (2020)Dunning-Kruger Isn't Real - Psychology Today (2020)David Dunning Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid siteMark Schaller Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid siteDavid Passig Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid siteJennifer Lerner Interview — full interview and transcript on the World After Covid site