In honor of the “Out of Office: A Travel Podcast” 5 year anniversary, Kiernan landed a big interview: travel luminary Rick Steves. Rick has been THE dream guest for the boys since Day 1 and he’s finally here in studio. Kiernan and Rick talk European sightseeing, the ins-and-outs of travel book writing, and why Portugal is better than Orlando, FL.  Is it the end of The Quest for Rick Steves or the beginning of The Great Kiernan-Rick Bromance? Things we talk about in this week’s episode: Everything Rick Steves https://www.ricksteves.com/   Rick Steves’ Europe Season 12 https://www.ricksteves.com/tv-programmers/season/twelve  The Last Stop:  Stuff You Should Know: Night of the Grizzlies https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/night-of-the-grizzlies/id278981407?i=1000630016148   Banff Grizzly Deaths https://www.npr.org/2023/10/02/1203036630/bear-attack-couple-dies-canada-banff