Chris Payne and Michael Gill are craftspeople, artists, radio presenters, snake rescuers, educators and owners of a wildlife refuge. Their story is about turning their interests into passions. They join Mia to talk through their epic 52-year love story, and all the things they’ve built, salvaged and saved along the way. This episode was produced and edited by Mia Hull. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.